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my guest today is speaking with us from the UK we are he is a family physician lawyer and Leadership coach he has a special interest in workplace bullying,
so let’s hear my conversation with dr. Adam Harrison.
[2:28] And it is my great pleasure to be.
Speaking today with dr. Adam Harrison who is coming to us from the UK Adam.
It’s a great pleasure to have you on the show and you are our first International guests thanks so much for being here.
Oh my gosh thank you thank you so much Randy for having me I’m it’s it was an honor anyway until you mentioned that I’m your first International guests so I’m even more privileged.
Yeah I recently did a guest it on the podcast where I was the first
male guest on a female only guest podcast so I’m choking up some some amazing first the moment so yeah thank you that’s quite a big deal
absolutely well Adam as we always do.
[3:18] I want to begin at the beginning and I’m interested to know when and what will when you first.
Thought that you would have an interest in studying medicine and sort of the influencers that came into your life that brought you there,
yes so I think when I was around 13 I was interested in either veterinary medicine or human medicine and.
Was when I did some work experience through my school when I was around 15 I think at local
General Hospital and I spent two weeks at this Hospital mostly on a ward with Orthopedic patients and then I had a day in in the ER and
I was just absolutely hooked I was so it’s hugely inspired by the junior doctors that I was working with and yeah that that was it that kind of sealed the deal for me into human medicine rather than veterinary medicine,
[4:23] So there was no there were no medical types in your family that had an influence or no not at all I was the first person in the family to actually go to university at all
all I can say is that I was at school with friends who had doctors as parents and you know if I
if I went around to to their house you know to socialize then I might meet the parents and talk to them a bit and my mom worked in a.
Family Medicine Clinic as a receptionist and sort of healthcare assistant and I met a few of the family physicians there but you know nothing kind of.
Close close enough contact I think for them to have had a huge influence on me so yeah don’t really know where it came from I see I see nice.
[5:17] That’s an interesting story and Adam one thing I would like for you to do our audience is largely in the US of course and.
We do medical education and professional education.
In general a little differently from what you do in the UK would you mind telling us how that goes yeah absolutely.
What are the steps in the process of course yeah and I’m really familiar with the American system because I work with a lot of American Physicians most of my clients are actually based in the u.s.a. I have a
I want in Canada at the moment yeah so I’m really conversant with the u.s. system but it’s
yeah I find it very very interesting so you know how you guys go to get a college degree first and then do medicine as a graduate subject really
in the UK the the sort of standard route is that you,
finish high school when you’re 18 and that’s when you’ve done what we call a level so Advanced levels.
[6:29] Subjects for the,
preceding two years and they are you’re almost like your University entrance exams I mean there isn’t much use for them otherwise,
and it’s now I’ve done quite a lot so when you’re when you do your exams at 16 your kind of your General High School exams and some people leave school at that stage you do about you know 10 10 or 12 different subjects but when you’re doing your a-levels in
you know the ages of 16 17 18 you really narrow it down to three or four subjects so
I’m in my case I did biology chemistry and physics and a subject called General Studies.
[7:06] And then so the general process is that you you apply to.
Medical school in there are some Standalone medical schools and there are some most most medical schools are part our faculties of Medicine of bigger universities.
About 17 at the beginning of your final year of high school and you know you fill out the application forms and you go through the interview procedures if you get offered interviews.
[7:34] And then if you get offered a place and you get the grades that they asked you to get then you’ll start medical school at the age of 18 and it’s generally a five-year course,
so you could actually qualify as a doctor at the age of 23 quite a few of us especially I trained only London quite a few of us down there do an extra year called an intercalated year to get an extra degree,
you can say the first two years very much like your first two years as far as I know it’s a lot of.
Basic medical sciences and that’s me physiology biochemistry pharmacology etc etc so.
The way it’s looked at here is that the first two years are more than the equivalent of the first few years of say a biochemistry degree or a biology degree or something like that so if you do an extra year.
You then get given a Bachelor of Science degree as well.
[8:25] So I actually studied history of medicine for a year and qualify with a degree in history of medicine and obviously my my medical degree at the end of it as well so that’s that’s how it generally works and how it worked for me,
that’s really interesting and I’d be interested to know if you,
it anytime throughout your career felt that that study of the history of medicine really informed your medical practice in any way.
That’s a really good question.
I’m I’m not sure consciously it did I mean much like in the US and the working.
[9:07] Systems although the.
You know the overarching kind of funding of hospitals and things is quite different in the u.s. than it is in the UK but the kind of what the work you know the kind of.
[9:21] Bing Bing on the wards and you know going to the ER to review patients and going to the the or and Etc.
Is very similar and I mean you remember what it’s like when you’re when you’re an intern and the junior resident you’re so you’re so busy just kind of,
doing your work and you know trying to get some rest there isn’t much time to to kind of you know think about all the interesting things that you might have studied you know we often.
Talk about you know doctors kind of getting on this conveyor belt and you’re at your identity changes and becomes you know you become a,
a medic or a physician you know and all the interesting things that you did too
get noticed by the medical schools to be offered a place like you know art and theater and music and Sport to a high level and all these things that we did to make our applications look more interesting than the competitors.
[10:20] You just leave them behind when you start as an intern and a junior resident you know because you’re just so busy with work so it’s probably I would say it’s it’s hard to think of how the history of Medicine
you know impacted on my my work as a junior doctor what what I will say is that it was my
my favorite year at Medical School it was my best year at Medical School it made me feel like I had that second chance to study a Humanity because I really did pigeonhole myself.
[10:53] And quite tightly into the three the three Sciences at a level and.
I think it just reflected the kind of person and interest that I had generally because and will come to this later on but I ended up studying to become a lawyer and and passed the bar exams and so on so I
either ended up doing you know the social sciences in the form of law so I think I always had that you know,
Humanities artistic social science side to my personality as well,
and was there additional training that was required in order for you to become what we would call a general practitioner or a family medicine physician,
yeah I actually think it’s you know I have I have friends in different countries and I think it’s quite rigorous in the UK
in the I know I know in some parts of Mainland Europe for example you can just do a you know a couple of years as a junior doctor in the hospital and then you can go off and I think we probably do that,
year is it was like an apprentice family physician and then you then you can be a family physician essentially in the UK you have to do.
The first two years so essentially like the equivalent of an intern year and like first year of residency and then you have to start a.
Cook General practices so family a family medicine.
[12:15] Residency program which consists of at least 12 months in family medicine and then,
the rest will be various hospital jobs of views to Family Medicine you know like Pediatrics and Psychiatry and ER and,
Obstetrics and things like that you know so you’re looking at,
a minimum of five years after you graduate as a doctor before you can start working as a family physician in the UK it’s really interesting it it sounds like a little bit of a different road map but yet it accomplishes the same.
Purpose if you will as to what we experienced and the u.s. lately yeah of course let’s move the story along once you’re fully trained you actually spend some time.
Practicing family medicine right I did yes oh I forgot my
my beat was a little bit more Securities in that when I was at Medical School I really it’s the story of my life I really enjoyed histopathology and,
I was quite heavily leaning towards doing the forensic pathology for a for a career.
Yeah that was my original career intention I didn’t and I did I was snooping around your life but that’s fascinating.
[13:40] I have so many versions of my my resume and CV that you probably got one that didn’t they may not even have mention that because it may not have been relevant to that particular job I was applying for so,
yeah so I did start well I.
What a lot of doctors do in the UK especially you know kind of twenty years ago when I was kind of coming out right now I graduated in 2000,
a lot of us who do what we call house jobs your house office jobs or internships.
[14:15] Well you just don’t time you would do six months of adult medicine and six months of surgical jobs.
And then a lot of people then go and do ER for six months because it was just a really good General job to do and also you know,
while you’re making your mind up what you want to do whether you want to play for surgical training or you know Pediatrics or cultural whatever
so I did that like most of us did and then I had my histopathology jobs to go to which I which I did and that’s when I moved from London up to Nottingham where I’m
I’m speaking to you from now and yeah it just,
the trainee didn’t go how I wanted it to go all had hoped it would go so after six months I moved on from that and I decided that,
you know of all the things I would like to do if I wasn’t going to be histopathology for forensic it’s so pathologist it was going to be surgery I’ve some of some description.
this bit I’m not I’m not entirely sure in the u.s. so if you if you want to be an orthopedic surgeon in the US you basically do a whole Orthopedic residency am I right correct.
[15:29] Yeah you have to take some you would probably need UK a surgical internship year and maybe an additional year in general surgery before you would start your Orthopedic training but that’s basically how it goes yeah.
[15:48] Okay right yeah so the the first part of the postgraduate exams that you do in in fuel surgical discipline actually
require you to do lots of different jobs so I for example did cardiothoracic surgery I did trauma Orthopedics I did General breast and Peds surgery at the Pediatric Urology.
[16:10] So did all these different jobs and that they kind of give you the experience of you know being mentored by different people and cutting in different ways and.
Set you up for the exam quite nicely because the first part of the exam is more General and then when you pass the exam that’s when you go into your specialty surgical training so you know if you want to be,
cardiothoracic surgeon you just spend the next five years just doing cardiothoracics as a western.
[16:35] So I did all these various jobs and,
I’m not sure if we’re going to come back to this later but I had there was always someone in every there was someone seeing you to me and every job and attending that.
Essentially kind of picked on me at work you know whether they shamed me or.
Federated me or undermine me or you know monitored me or whatever whatever it was gas gas let you know I had the whole the whole Smorgasbord of different types of workplace aggression leveled against me.
Are you particularly speaking about people at a very slightly more advanced level of training than you or you talking about the professors and the leaders of the profession the latter.
Yeah so they are both know that yeah the better yeah the the kind of senior attendings and professors and so on yeah yeah it was always it was always them.
That must have been demoralizing yeah I guess.
[17:42] Someone on she asked me the other day on a on another interview you know why did why did I kind of,
stick with it and I think what happens is because he or she have to do these postgraduate exams he’s member member of the Royal College of Surgeons exams and you pay a lot of money to do them.
And you know you do your part one and then there’s a part two and then there’s the clinical parts to the to the exam and you get so far into it and you know that you’ve invested so much money and so much time you just think I can’t walk away now.
You know I’m more than I’m more than halfway through it’s going to be a waste of my time a waste of all this money I at least need to get the examine walk away with examine and you know have something to show for all of this you know.
Awful treatment I’ve experienced you know so I think that’s.
Also I’m you know I’m a bit of a nerve net and you know I guess you know I’m not I’m not a quitter and there’s a.
[18:39] There’s also that thing about doctors you know not kind of.
You know wanting to show any weakness and you know where we’re all perfectionist and if we kind of don’t
carry on and do something to the end you know we’re letting ourselves down we’re letting our family down etc etc so I think we just and there’s just this also I think within within medicine this this culture of.
Well everyone has to everyone has to go through it you just tolerate it it’s just a you know it’s just a rite of passage a baptism of Fire
and I mean in the UK there’s a term that we use for the way that we were taught certainly,
when I was coming through as a student and a junior doctor teaching by ritual humiliation,
and I think it’s I think it’s a bit like the concept of pimping though I’ve heard of I haven’t heard a pimping until I started working with,
American Physicians but it sounds you know like a bit like that to be honest.
Very sort of aggressive questioning and then shaming you when you when you get it wrong it sounds very much like the experience in the UK is.
Very like what we experienced in the u.s. so why and that’s a bit of a surprise to me I,
I thought we were.
[20:05] We were somewhat unique on this side of the pond if you will but apparently that’s not the case well I mean I don’t I don’t want to digress too much but we.
A year ago we go back from 2 years away in Australia and New Zealand and.
I found from my wife’s experience she was a fellow in Australia that actually.
The system in Australia that is even more aggressive than in the UK so it’s pretty much across the world of Western medicine you know the Western Medical tradition it’s just it’s just a thing,
you know but yeah anyway so I kind of worked my way through these various surgical jobs before.
You know to get my exam so that then I could say actually you know what I was looking around thinking.
[20:58] I don’t know I don’t want to work with these attendings you know in I don’t want to be their immediate colleague in you know five five or ten years time I need to get out of this this specialty and so that’s when I thought well okay.
If I’m not gonna do histopathology and I’m not going to do surgery what else do.
What else am I going to do what do what do I enjoy and I think really I reflected and I enjoyed everything at Medical School guide you I enjoyed all of my placements so it wasn’t really much of a
decision of much of a stretch to go into family medicine because obviously you’re you know you’re looking after.
All patients from Cradle to grave so I thought you know found in Family Medicine that’s.
[21:45] They generally you know seem to be quite.
You know nice friendly touchy-feely people you know and.
I just I just made another bad decision because the thing about.
[22:05] Family physicians in the UK is that there are really I suppose three types there’s what we call,
GP partner so general practice Partners generous salary doctors and will local doctors essentially they can turn instructors and the,
the partners actually own the clinics,
or at least they own the business they may rent the premises but they own the business and they subcontract those Services back to the National Health Service so
they get money from the government they get so much money per per head of patients and they have to use our money and.
You know in a business business like wait.
You know to make some profit for themselves and yeah I just underestimated I think how Cutthroat some of them can be so it was,
it was it was another kind of challenging you know kind of career Pathway to go down really I think one of the one of my.
What am I.
[23:10] Problems for 120 of a better word is that I’m very kind of and I’ve only realized this in the last few years but I’m very sort of.
Principled and values-driven and I if I saw something that I thought was you know unjust or inequitable or whatever bit be it affecting me or a colleague.
I just can’t stand by and let these things happen I have to put my head above the parapet and say that’s unfair,
and I now I now realize that I was basically putting a Target on my back throughout the entirety of my junior medical career
because I was willing to speak up I had the confidence to do that when others and others didn’t but it obviously got me into a lot of trouble.
So yeah that was you know my last foray into clinical medicine for a while before I went to do my law studies so.
[24:09] Yeah I can.
I can really empathize with you in that frame of mind and again it sounds as if the,
training in medicine and the practice of medicine and the UK is apparently not some terribly different from what we see here in the US and that’s an eye-opener for me I was really not I was not aware of that so
and I’ll bet we could do a half-dozen episodes about exactly the subject that we’re talking about right now but we don’t have.
Quite that long so so I am go I am curious how that feeling that you were,
obviously struggling with it that point LED you to think that the study of law would
get you into a better place yes oh so what happened was I think I was.
[25:07] I think there are a few reasons that I was unhappy as a as a trainee family physician I certainly burnt out probably for the,
second time I bet I think I burnt out at least once if not a couple of times during my
Family Medicine Residency I’d certainly burnt out at least once during my surgical residency jobs so,
that’s certainly affected me and I’m part of that I tribute part of that to the extreme,
patient expectations in the clinic that I was working I was working in a very gritty inner-city practice and the patients were
were very demanding and kind of high-volume users and you know lots of
deprivation so lots of kind of substance misuse and you know kind of,
illnesses arising out of smoking and bad diet and lack of exercise and all these sorts of
these sorts of things and it was just.
An extremely extremely tough job and yeah so I was I think I was feeling overwhelmed quite a lot I was I was burnt out I was not enjoying.
[26:32] The working in the demographic that I was working with that time and I.
And really what I was still kind of finishing off my Family Medicine Residency I was already looking out for other things I could do once I had,
got my family medicine qualifications.
But obviously mentioned before about forensic pathology so I always had this fascination with the interface between medicine and law.
[27:00] And so I thought well you know if I’m not going to be you know the.
The kind of the Quincy if you like character and kind of diagnosing the the cause of death here and you know dealing with God.
[27:17] Cadavers from violent crimes and things like that if I’m not going to do that then what what else is kind of medical legally related and you know we have organizations in the UK called medical defense organizations.
[27:32] And essentially what you do is as doctors you pay subscription to these organizations they’re a bit more than just insurers you know they don’t kind of just cover you if someone makes a.
A medical negligence claim against you and they’re successful obviously if they do,
if that happens then they will pay out for you because it’s like an insurance policy,
but they also do other things like if you have complaints made against you they help you draft your responses to the complaints to help them kind of go away more quickly and not
not escalate into anything else because you can imagine when when doctors have a complaint against them they take it really really personally,
and they get extremely defensive and if you let a doctor just you know just write their own response to a complaint letter
it would get them into a whole heap more trouble it’s actually
so you pay your pay your subscriptions to these defense these defense bodies and they help you kind of stay out of trouble and things go as quickly as possible and then there’s also things with the
with the medical board so
I know the all of your different states in the US have their own medical boards we just have one called The General Medical Council the GMC in the UK,
so the GM C is responsible for regulation and discipline of the profession.
[28:53] But they can you know they can take you to a tribunal call the medical professionals tribunal service and you know this is where you can be suspended or you know erased from the
medical register and things like this so it’s a big deal so again these defense organizations they help you.
With any representation that you require at any General Medical Council proceedings so really fascinating job.
[29:20] When the case when the case has got really interesting because they take a bunch of doctors and they train you up to be like you know baby baby lawyers but you’re not.
You haven’t got any legal qualifications they just kind of put you through some training for about 10 weeks and then that’s it you’re kind of like,
fending for yourself essentially then often you have to happen you know approach the legal team in the organization as they all.
Now we need you because I’ve gone as far as I can go with this case and I got quite frustrated at that I think I’m a bit of a completed finisher and I was like
I want to be doing that side of things I want to be doing the legal side and sorting things out properly so that’s I think was what the
motivation was for me to study law get my law degree and then sit and pass the bar exams,
did you find any satisfaction at all in that it’s an interesting story without without a perhaps a satisfying ending so,
when I when I passed the bar which was in October 2014.
[30:24] We had just we had our first child about 14 months before.
And my wife is a attending maxillofacial surgeon.
[30:38] But at that time she was a she was arrested like a senior resident in maxillofacial surgery and.
In the UK and again this is something that’s different in the US because I actually actually coach a maxillofacial surgeon in the US
but in the UK you actually have to be dual qualified and do a dental degree and a medical degree to become a maxillofacial surgeon
so my wife had been to like 10 years of kind of you know undergrad graduate school all of this and then all of her,
in 10 years and residency training and all of this and it just it just seemed like well we were to Junction really you know.
[31:20] I can I can pursue my legal career but it’s starting from the very bottom rung as a you know a traitor to essentially a trainee in a law firm,
my wife who was you know kind of almost within touching distance of her attending physician could carry on her very,
well delineated career trajectory and qualify and it just didn’t seem right for me to say okay I’m going to pursue my legal dream as it were.
[31:51] And for her to give up on her her career dream and the reason that we kind of had this discussion is that we were.
We were always at the frame of mind that we wanted to raise our own children we had we had friends who you know couples who are both doctors and so on who,
what have you know had to both had high-flying careers and then they had a nanny or an au pair or whatever
raising their children which is completely fine that’s people’s choice if that’s what they want to do that’s you know we’re not judging anyone but we did want to do that we wanted to raise our own children we wanted to have that relationship with our own kids
so yeah so for us it was a case of well you know what I’m any just starting in the law.
I’ll take a I’ll take a step back you you run with your career I’ll kind of help with the childcare and I’ll figure it out.
You know I’ll also something out so that I’m not kind of wasting all of these qualifications.
[32:52] I’m what ended up happening was that it was great for like for a year or so I had had
the whole day a week every Monday I had with my without without daughter a young daughter and then I worked four days four days a week I did some I did the occasional weekend shift but.
I started putting myself out there as a medical legal advisor to local
organizations and I you know I got offered some work I got co-opted on two committees and then I got you know kind of asked if I wanted to be a director on the board of committees and then
and then HS baldy fairly local to me wanted to use me too.
Work on the discipline and Regulatory side of family physicians and so I started completely inadvertently carving out this medical leadership career.
Which I absolutely love so I had a beautiful what we call portfolio career in the UK I had you know I was
that’s a part-time leadership roles I did a bit of clinical work I had some educator roles you know and some advisory work and it was a it was a lovely lovely.
[34:04] Time of my life it’s probably you know when my career was at its Zenith as far as far as I’m concerned,
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[36:17] And now let’s get back to today’s interview like to hear a little bit about how you,
how you actualized or formalized that process and in got yourself into the position that you’re in now and how how how are you liking it.
I’m one of those I think a lot of a lot of doctors are like this so I mentioned my wife’s Fellowship in in Australia and we we all left as a family in July 2019 and moved to Darwin.
Ostensibly for just 12 months but then the pandemic came along about.
Eight months later and yeah you know they shut down all the interstate borders in Australia and I mean we were in the Northern Territory we’re in Darwin in the Northern Territory and it’s.
Probably the smallest territory,
/ state in terms of absolute population but the biggest proportion of indigenous people so they had a lot of indigenous communities lot of Aboriginal indigenous communities scattered around,
a lot of them very very you know flights away from.
Tertiary Hospital Center you know a Trauma Center someone with an ICU.
[37:38] So you can imagine if the if the virus the virus is got into one of these communities you know these small small townships with three to four thousand people that you could have wiped out an entire generation of indigenous people and,
you know there are so many different.
Like varieties of indigenous people different tribes and so on they could have conceivably you know seen the end of.
Certain tribes so you know they were very very Vigilant something they did really well but it meant you can fly in or out of.
The state let alone internationally which you know was great for us because we were watching what was going on in the UK with horror and just being so fearful for our families back home but we were in.
Absolute safety you know there’s always there is nothing there was a you know they.
[38:35] They made a thing about you know kind of social distancing and sanitizing wearing masks and all of this other stuff but there was there was no virus there.
I mean you know it was just it was just for practice I guess just yeah yeah so you know it was,
it was fantastic but you know we’ll see when we ended up staying there for 18 months and then we my and this is going towards December 2020 when we were supposed to be going back to the UK
six months late and things are still looking pretty bad in the UK you know Boris Boris Johnson was all set to let everyone Mingle for Christmas and you know the the levels were
you know the third wave the third wave was coming and all of this and I’m a splenic I had my spleen removed when I was six
because I have hereditary spherocytosis so yeah so I was like and this was before the vaccine of course so I was like,
looking realistically down the barrel of having two
self isolate for 12 weeks and not see my children and my wife had 12 weeks it’s like this is not an option so you she got chatting offered a Locum tenens consultant
I’m post attending Post in New Zealand so we went there but what happened was we had to get out because my wife was being bullied by her attendings in the hospital there and.
[40:03] She was she was unhappy and I was deviated a little bit that I was gay I was going to say originally.
You know being being a good medic you can’t you don’t feel like you like you can let the grass grow under your feet you know you feel like you have to be achieving something all the time and,
I still want my wife’s getting a fellowship out of this this year overseas and I want to get something out of it too and that’s when I decided I was going to do my coach training,
but I was also doing some work for the local medical school and I was tutoring indigenous medical students.
And I had a few of them come to me and tell me that they were being picked on and bullied and shamed on the wards by the doctors who they were working with and it just.
Throw everything flooding back for me from the days when it when I was experiencing it and it was really then I decided that I had to use my,
I was a qualified life Leadership and executive coach in the end and I just.
[41:12] You know I thought I have to use my powers for good you know I find you know like to use a superhero analogies like I’ve got to use my powers for good I’ve got to use my coaching skills
for good and do what I can do to help to help people who have been in this position where they’re being
brother being bullied by their seniors in healthcare in the way the hired being so yeah that was really when I.
You know it started my kind of where I am currently you know was started as embryonic form and I was like okay so what can I what can I do realistically as a coach to help,
people who’ve experienced you know Physicians have experienced bullying in the workplace and that’s when my idea started to formulate.
[42:03] And I’m really fascinated with what.
Appears to be the the the finish line for you and that is not only.
Did you want to focus on.
Where the demoralizing forces are coming in the medical profession but you you chose to focus largely upon the experience for women.
[42:32] Which I gather that you identified that everybody was being bullied but it was.
Perhaps a little more intense for the women am I am I / E90 you’re spot on,
actually all of my all of my tutees at the medical school in Darwin were female and you know I.
[42:58] You know with my wife’s experience my you know and their experiences and my my wife is actually
British Pakistani huh her father moved from from Pakistan to the UK and then in the late 1960s so she was born in the UK but you know she was
I was telling you about how things were seemingly.
A bit worse in Australia than in the UK and I you know we were trying to unpick it you know was it because she was female because there’s a,
this amount misogyny in medicine there as well was it because she was a woman of color and you know I was thinking a lot about this with my my to tease you know they were female they were they were women of color they were indigenous women.
And they had they all pretty much most of them had had children already as well you know and so there are still people there in.
In Australia who were saying you know you don’t you don’t you don’t deserve to be here you’d have a place here what are you doing you got children you know you know you’re wasting your time this this kind of stuff and.
Yeah it just it maybe just maybe think about how.
Fortunate hired being with the female influences in my life,
so I you know very very strong yet compassionate mother.
[44:25] To very very strong and loving sisters younger sisters my wife who is forever an inspiration to me who I you know.
Keep keep trying to get as a guest on my podcast inspiring women leaders it’s called so and I’d worked with so many incredible,
I’m female medical leaders and also.
It come across like coaching coaching leaders as well women who were just so so incredibly impressive inspiring that I just thought I need to.
[45:06] You know this this too much good learning here not to kind of harness it in some some vehicle and and at first my thoughts were I’ll put on a conference you know like an inspiring women leaders conference
and then I saw what she that’s that’s too small because that’s just a one-off you did a conference and then it’s forgotten about you know,
but if you create a podcast like yours you know you then have this body of work you have a legacy you have something that’s a resource that people can just keep dipping in and out of the four years to come it’s not,
you know kind of over and done with in an afternoon at a conference and I just thought I,
I have to share this learning you know I’m a huge advocate of kindness in leadership and so come out compassionate servant and inclusive leadership and I’d seen that in,
you know bucket loads from from the women that had worked with and I thought this has to be kind of you know bottle there’s an Essence and shared with the world you know
for the betterment of Future Leaders but you know ostensibly primarily in medicine you know so far,
younger Physicians coming through to
listen to the podcast and learn from their seat their seniors but not just for
younger female doctors but also for male doctors because you know.
[46:30] There are not that many great senior male role models out there.
[46:36] So yeah that’s how that’s yeah I think you’re right onto something very important.
It makes a lot of sense for you to recognize the need amongst the women because they need.
Some place to find the justification for.
Staying with the task and fulfilling the career that that they dreamt of but on the other hand there is.
[47:13] Clearly a need to,
educate and re-educate the male counterparts who were part of the problem and I’m interested to know if you’re making some attempt to do that and if so do you think you’ve made any progress.
[47:28] In terms of my podcast as a.
[47:35] A weapon for good it’s fairly early days I only released episode 4.
Five days ago so it kind of remains to be seen what kind of influence and impact,
that will have the people I’m hearing from you know the feedback I’m hearing at the moment is almost exclusively from female Physicians.
But yeah I think that you know there are there are other.
Means and other modalities that can be used as well you know so.
I’ll mention it’s a bit later on but you know I recently spoke at her a national National Health Service Workforce conference.
And I I did a talk I was invited down and I wanted to talk about Workforce retention because we’ve got not only huge issues like it like in the u.s. you know with a great resignation but not only huge issues in recruiting.
Replacement doctors and other Healthcare professionals but also in retaining them keeping them in in service and so my angle was.
[48:53] The benefits of kindness in the workplace and kindness as a tool to help Workforce retention.
[49:03] And I think the more.
You know I mean I was speaking in a room of 220 mid-level and Senior managers a lot of whom we’re in HR.
[49:15] And hopefully you know and I’ve had a few people reach out and say can I do talks for them in other other departments and things.
So hopefully you know we can just a bit of a domino effect and actually start planting seeds and you know the word will get out and people will will take notice.
Well perhaps we’ll put a pin in the map on this and we’ll follow up with you if not month to month maybe year to year and see how this thing’s going I and I.
I certainly hope that
you as we say in the u.s. hit a home run with this thing because what a wonderful thing it would be to really make a difference of this sort and I have a feeling that you probably will.
Adam we’ve come to the part of the program where I’m going to back out and be silent and give you a chance to speak to our audience all on your own and uninterrupted,
so audience this is dr. Adam Harrison who’s going to share his personal prescriptions for success.
Thank you Randy so when I was composing my thoughts on this you know I was thinking about what.
[50:34] Various definitions of success are and what they mean to different people you know some people will obviously,
rate how successful they are on how much they’re earning you know and you know there’s this other kind of outcome measure which is on impact which I,
Fillmore in alignment with so yeah so how will measure success is different but.
I like to think that I look back on my life at the end.
Consider myself successful if I feel I’ve made a positive impact in the world and an impact on some of the people in it.
[51:14] For me the recipe for achieving this personal measure of success comprises five five little things and some of them are related to life in general and some of them are a little bit more work e.
The first one for me is to spend as much time with your loved ones as possible I believe that no one’s Epitaph ever ever read I wish I’d spent more time at work.
[51:44] I hope that most people look back on their on their deathbed and.
I wish that they’d spent more time with their family or been glad that they spent as much time with their loved ones as they did.
[51:57] Suspend as much time with your loved ones as possible second one is
it’s all right kindness and all things kindness really being a being a kind person being a kind leader and I mentioned before this talk I did last week.
[52:15] On the benefits of kindness in the workplace and I came across this lovely quote by Rabbi Harold Kushner who’s a rabbi based in the US and he’s quoted as saying.
[52:29] Do things for people not because of who they are or what they do in return but because of who you are.
[52:39] And I just think that that really in a nutshell is.
Three beautiful way of thinking about kindness being a kind person being a kind leader.
[52:52] You know it’s just.
Not only is kindness good for us if we if we practice kindness It’s been shown to be good for your health and that people who have a.
Kindness practice have greater longevity.
[53:08] But also the impact on others is even more profound when they’re on the receiving end of kindness so it’s it’s a simple concept it’s not actually easy to.
Practice kindness if you are not used to doing it and that
he’s not to say that that’s because you were kind or unkind person but actually it takes a lot of confidence to practice kindness and compliment people in
include people and so on so you know if you’re a bit shy it can be hard to pass this kindness but if you have the right intention and you willing to put in some practice then.
You can you can be the start of that that trickle The Craze the flood.
[53:48] My third one is live love and lead by your values and do work in alignment with your values.
[53:58] So I alluded to this earlier that one of my core values is Justice the others are honesty gratitude love and humor.
I feel that since I became aware of what my values are a few years ago that it’s transformed.
The way I live my life I live my life with a certain intention now and now say.
[54:26] Nice white now you self employed work I will only do assignments that are in alignment with my core values.
And that feels very liberating a very empowering and I think if you are in a workplace where.
[54:44] You feel like you just feel things are not right you know there’s some kind of like disharmony or disequilibrium between.
[54:52] You and your employer I’m it’s probably that there’s a malalignment or a misalignment in your values.
[55:00] And it’s probably the kind of place that you’re not going to.
[55:04] You don’t get in to get along with for the rest of your career so what were thinking about your values.
[55:12] I’m the fourth one is be compassionate to yourself as well as others.
[55:19] So what I did this talk last week was a face-to-face talk.
[55:25] To 220 National Health Service managers and Senior managers and I ask the group to raise their hands if they felt they were regularly overly harsh to themselves.
And over half of them in the room raised their hands.
[55:42] So one of my points of advice on you know as a part of the recipe for,
success is treat yourself as you treat your best friend like you wouldn’t you wouldn’t be wouldn’t be horrible to your best friend so why be horrible to yourself or treat yourself how you would like others to treat your.
Mom or dad or child or spouse.
[56:08] Only then can you can you really start treating others with that kind of compassion I think it starts starts with self.
[56:17] I think it’s kind of you know behind some of the mental health issues that we were seeing a lot of as well these days and finally my fifth my fifth point is.
[56:29] Have a small group of trusted Confidant advisors to turn to and to support them in turn.
[56:38] Recently I’ve had a few entrepreneurial hitches and challenges and it was so.
[56:44] Valuable to be able to turn two people in the same boat or similar boat as me.
[56:52] You know a handful of people and they’ll know who they they are really helped me get out of my funk that I was in a few weeks ago and actually stop me from quitting while I’m doing so it’s.
You know having having a group small kind of like tribe of people too.
It’s kind of listened to you and support you and help you is a great way to help you become successful in life I think and that’s,
that’s my recipe,
Adam there is a lot of wisdom there and I am very grateful that you have taken the time to share that with us I have
come away from this feeling considerably more informed and enlightened and I’m very grateful
that you took the time to stay up so late at night where you are and and have a conversation with me before
before we go I want to give you an opportunity to tell our audience where they can find you and the things that you do so.
[57:54] I’ll give you the floor again thank you thanks thanks Randy and thank you and Rhonda and the team so much for reaching out and you know.
Having me as a guest on your fantastic show I’m ever so grateful,
so you have people can email me at doctor so Dr dot Adam Harrison or one word,
hiw is 0 n at gmail.com my website is just,
dr. Adam Harrison don’t comdr Ada mha wisn.com I’m on LinkedIn quite actively
as dr. Adam Harrison and I would love for people to have a listening to my podcast which is called inspiring women leaders it’s on the bus
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Well dr. Adam Harrison again I’m so grateful that you have taken the time to be with us today this has been a great conversation I have enjoyed every minute of it so thanks again for taking the time,
no thank you it’s been my absolute pleasure thank you so much.
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