Throughout his career as a pediatrician and Medical Director, Jarret Patton has remained an advocate for children’s health issues. Over time, his servant leadership style led him to curtail clinical practice to become a change agent in the healthcare system. As a former President of the Medical Staff at an 8 hospital system in eastern Pennsylvania he worked with other leaders to promote children’s health and health equity in a highly matrixed environment.
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Additionally, Dr. Patton has advised many regional and national committees for organizations including The Joint Commission, American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Hospital Association. Doctor Jarret spent his post medical training in various fellowships ranging from the Disparities Leadership Program at Massachusetts General Hospital to the Cultural Competency Leadership Fellowship with the Health Research and Educational Trust. He has published in the medical literature and contributed to books primarily in the areas of general pediatrics, cultural competency and health equity. His solo book series “Licensed to Live” adds further credibility to his expertise as a career coach. He received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Xavier University of Louisiana and his medical degree from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine. He completed his pediatric residency at New York University and Bellevue Hospitals. Doctor Jarret is the founder and CEO of Doctor Jarret, PLLC, a firm which helps doctors and executives refresh and restart your career.Dr. Cohen is the co-founder and Chief Medical Officer of Adaptrack, a medical risk focused digital platform for clinicians. He is also the co-founder and Chief Medical Officer of CMEfy, a platform that acts as an engagement and reward tool for clinicians co-learning with each other and within organizations. Additionally, Dr. Cohen is the Specialty Medical Director for the Preferred Anesthesia and Pain Management Program of AMS-RRG, an AM Best, A- rated medical liability company.
Dr. Patton’s Prescription for Success:
Number 1: L – Look at your Goals.
Number 2: I – Integrate your life into work.
Number 3: F – Make a commitment to have more fun in your life.
Number 4: E – Have the best expectations in life.
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Dr. Patton’s Webpage: Doctorjarret.com
Dr. Patton’s Podcast: LicensedtoLive
Book: Licensed To Live: A Primer to Rebuilding Your Life After Your Career is Shattered.
Book: Whose Bad @$$ Kids are Those?: A Parent’s Guide to Behavior for Children of all Ages.
Twitter: @doctorjarret
LinkedIn: Jarret Patton MD
Notable quotes from Dr. Patton’s interview:
Even before I started medical school I thought I had it all figured out, but things change.
I figured out pretty early that I had a strong sense of community and I really wanted to work in neighborhoods that didn’t have access to care.
I love to work in community practices.
Working with kids every single day and taking care of their families all the time was something that drove me.
Find ways to integrate work into life, and life into work.
Make a commitment to have fun in your life. Because the more fun you have in your life, the more satisfaction you’re going to have in your life, and the better your life will be.
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[0:00] Looking at entering into that management and Leadership role with something very very different because
well I didn’t learn about it in the past I did not really know what to expect and then as I started getting more and more into it I was perplexed,
and like wow is our is our is this the way decisions are made in healthcare you know whether it’s in a in a board room or in a conference room eight I was just shocked.
That this is the other side in which we were never taught.
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[0:42] Paging dr. cook paging dr. cook dr. Kirk you’re wanted in the o.r. dr. Koh.
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[1:11] Hello everyone and welcome to prescriptions for Success I’m dr. Randy cook your host for the podcast which is a production of MD coaches.
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my guest today is a board-certified pediatrician but he also wears lots of other hats including best-selling author,
as well as career and personal development coach.
Dr. Jarrett Patton took a little time out of his very busy schedule to share some of his secrets to success so let’s hear the conversation.
[2:10] I’m really excited today to be talking.
With dr. Jared Patton who is up in the great state of Pennsylvania Jarrett’s great to have you here thanks for joining us.
Thanks for having me arm Randy a pleasurable day to be here well you have really got a fabulous story and a lot of things that I want to talk about,
so let’s get right into it and
we always like to begin with Beginnings Jarrett so I’m interested now are you a Pennsylvania native no no I actually grew up in was born in Connecticut and grew up in central Ohio I see.
So the the Northeast and bordering on the Midwest I guess and and and about.
[3:01] Where your interest in medicine came from or their medical types in the family or did it come from someplace else,
yeah it ended up for me just being kind of an inspiration I did not have doctors in the family to kind of work with or get some additional Insight but I found
they’re going through my high school years I had a profound interest in science so I knew I wanted to do something in science.
Biology was a little bit you know not concrete enough for me so I really gravitated to her chemistry so I headed off to Xavier University of Louisiana.
To study chemistry.
But I knew pretty quickly on that spending my time in a chemistry lab was not going to be the right thing for me because I’m more of a people person and so it was at that time I started taking that pre-med path and and and about what.
[3:56] At what point in your undergrad work did that happen it was pretty early on yeah it was pretty early on I mean it was by the end of my first year I knew that that chemistry was really going to become a chemistry pre-med and
and I knew that serving doctors was going to be what I are serving people as a doctor is it going to be what
I wanted to do and I thought I was going to be an anesthesiologist I thought I had it all figured out even though I didn’t know anything about it even before I started medical school I thought I had it all figured out but things change
and and will tell me about that what changed your mind obviously it happened
it’s some point in the midst of your medical education so when I was at Case Western in Cleveland for medical school we had,
exposure early on the patient so our first and second year we had to do some patient encounters
outside of the typical anatomy and physiology and pathology that you’re learning those first couple of years and.
It was that experience that really connected me to Primary Care and I thought Family Medicine.
[5:09] Almost threw out my med school career until really was the end of my third year and
the beginning of my fourth year when I said maybe internal medicine isn’t really what I,
I thought it was and not really what I want to practice now that I’ve had a chance to see what it looks like in reality.
Little did I know I was drawn to children.
Right from the beginning but it took me to go through all of those rotations before I could look back and say you know what,
I was happy in Pediatrics I really you know stayed up on Call with the kids there were just so many things that were screaming to me but because it was one of my first rotations I had no idea.
That Pediatrics is going to be the choice and ultimately I settled on that one.
I think that’s kind of unusual in all the people that I talked to on this podcast.
You know at some point there is a decision about what the specialty is going to be and they just kind of go forward but for you to have the patience to literally see the entire landscape before you make the decision.
Kind of.
[6:22] Paint you as of perhaps having a little more wisdom than most medical students are you willing to admit to that or what do you think.
You know that’s a great way to put it Randy I looked at it more until this point now I’ll be saying it was very wise choice and I was ahead of my time so thank you for that but what I’ll say is that
for me it ended up all of the things that I thought I was really going to like.
[6:52] They were cool they were interesting you could do some Hands-On things but I couldn’t see myself doing that for rest of my year and.
[6:59] And that’s why pediatric stood out to me it was after an international Health elective I did in Ghana that I knew that.
When I came back to the to the states I knew I was going into Pediatrics and in fact I had add on some fourth year electives
did I did not sign up for it I mean that’s how late I was in that decision process but it’s something I never look back on and I was so happy that I made that decision.
I can imagine that your time and a third world country must have been.
A powerful experience you want to share some of that with us I love sharing some of these stories Randy because.
That is what really shaped my career as a physician and especially coming back to primary care because I spent six weeks,
in Ghana and I was in you know you fly into the cities but I actually was in a remote Village about an hour outside of the capital city seeing patients in.
A Outpatient Clinic.
And it was there that the doctors they’re really taught me how important your physical exam skills are because
well when you’re practicing you know it was literally in the middle of nowhere
all of the technology all of the tests all of the Radiology all of the.
[8:26] Wonderful things in our own healthcare system that we have in abundance and obviously we have to.
[8:33] Pull back and try not to use all of these resources all the time when you go somewhere else especially in central Ghana.
There are none of those things maybe if you’re in the academic center you can have access to some of these things but the large majority of people don’t have access to
testing at their fingertips so I was able to see the doctors work up patients and diagnose patients without you know going to you know write some blood tests or order some Radiology tests and and in fact
biggest example of this in my life happened right in this small village while I was there there the under-20 national
got ghanaians soccer team practice
nearby and there was an incident in a practice one day and one of the players started having mental status changes and he became so.
Bizarre that they said we need to get him into Medical Care turned out he had a head injury during practice
and he was deteriorating literally in front of our eyes and not being in a central area he started to decompensate and
the doctors started running a code and a code.
[9:58] When you’re not inside a medical center code when you don’t have access to care simply was coming into his room assessing him giving him one precordial thump.
And realizing there was nothing there there’s no life support there’s no intubation there’s no monitors there’s there’s nothing and the doctors there had to make that decision knowing that they couldn’t get do anything for him and.
They couldn’t transport him anywhere anywhere quickly enough to seek the attention so here is one of the country’s top soccer talents,
that died for something that would have been
certainly treatable and probably death would have been avoidable if it happened here in the United States but it gave me that insight to say you know what.
Weird certainly blessed to live in the United States and have access to this Health Care system because it certainly doesn’t run like that in the rest of the world.
And you know I was going to ask you well let me begin with.
[11:04] How things were when you first went into private practice did you did you feel like no doubt about it I made the right decision and this is exactly where I should be absolutely I mean I figured out pretty early I had a strong sense of community
and I really wanted to work in neighborhoods that didn’t have access to care and part of that came out of my experience in Ghana I said well there’s lots of resources in these places I can at least do my part and try to put myself where they may not be as many resources and so I love to work in community practices and
working with
kids every day and taking care of their families all the time with something that drove me and I was happy doing that every single day
but part of my career said well I feel like I have more to offer than even that and I had interest in leadership
and I really wanted to develop my leadership skills and not only be able to take care of
the Smith family in the Jones family and the Enriquez family one by one by one I wanted to be.
Leading part of the health care mission.
[12:20] So that there could be changes that could be made for the better for people that I didn’t even have to touch it directly so so it was in that case that I really started
going on in leadership I went on to become a medical director of a practice and division Chief and some other leadership roles.
That’s exactly where I wanted you to take the conversation and I’m wondering.
[12:47] At what stage of your career was at 23 years and or was it a decade in when you realized that
did there was an opportunity to have an influence not only on,
direct patient care but the big picture when did when did that thought enter your head it was within the first couple of years because coming out of residency.
I always felt like alright I need to learn tons I’ve tried practice I trained in NYU and Bellevue so I literally I saw stuff coming in from all over the world that
yeah that I just I just never would have seen anywhere else however.
I knew that I did not want to only.
[13:32] See patients in my career because I knew I had more to offer and I knew that the leadership was something that interest me
interested me and I thought that you know I’d be seeing patients for out throughout the rest of my life as a part of what I would do
even if that meant that I would you know raise up and become CEO of a hospital system or something like that
did you feel like you belong to when you got into that more corporate world or did you find that it was distasteful at all Randy it,
looking at entering into that management and Leadership role with something very very different because
well I didn’t learn about it in the past I did not really know what to expect and then as I started getting more and more into it I was perplexed,
and like wow is our is is this the way decisions are made in healthcare you know whether it’s in a in a board room or in a conference room 8 I was just shocked.
That this is the other side.
In which we were never taught you think you were able to bring a clinical influence to those.
[14:48] Decisions in the boardroom that made a difference for people
absolutely by the time I was chief of medical staff of 1/8 hospital system I had a seat on the Board of Trustees of this system so I was meeting with the board of directors often and
that link was so vital having someone who could.
[15:11] Tell a story Through The Eyes of patients that are being seen you know within that Institution,
and speak up for the for the patients that may be there in the same hand speak up for the doctors,
and speak up for the nurses in the healthcare team and try to look for changes that were there but being in that boardroom
provided the storytelling necessary to add the details to those spreadsheets that everybody looks at
they boil everything down to a number and it comes with one over here and one may come from this column and that equals two and.
I would be sitting at the table and said well no one plus one doesn’t always equal to when you’re looking at this spreadsheet let me tell you why and you can go into that clinical story.
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So it sounds like you were in a spot where you really felt good about
your earlier decisions you like the world of medicine and you felt like you were influencing the world of medicine in a way that very few doctors ever get to accomplish
and then at some point the trouble started and.
We want we want try to tell the whole thing you’ve written a book that describes it in pretty good detail calls called for license to live and we’ll talk about that some more but I
I would like for you to give us the 30,000 foot view if you will or tell us as much as you like about,
how things begin to unravel I loved doing what I was doing I thought this was going to be my true Mission I was able to.
[18:15] Take care of patients I was able to shape policy I was able to speak on the behalf of the health care team on patients and I said this is.
What I was born to do and I felt like I was in the part of my career where this is it I know what I’m doing I’m on top of it and I’m loving it but all of that came to a sudden halt when I had a
meeting with one of the hospital attorneys that I spoke with quite frequently and he just came in and looked particularly exasperated that day and said.
[18:48] Jarret I don’t know how to tell you this but you’re under investigation.
[18:55] I said under investigation for what and he took out his laptop and he opened it up and started showing me pictures on Facebook
he said do you know this person I said no I don’t know this person and he started showing additional pictures of what I thought may have been the same person I said I don’t know who this person is I don’t even have a Facebook account with what’s going on
and he said he said he said this woman you actually saw her nine-month-old son a few weeks ago
and she claims that you were sexually inappropriate with her in the exam room and is going to the police and right there.
Everything changed everything became silent everything was a blur and ultimately which she said is she.
To the police she filed charges and that started a tailspin of my career so suddenly I found myself being locked into handcuffs being booked
in the county jail and looking at my life deteriorating right in front of me I mean things were being yanked from me right and left
losing licenses in multiple States my board certification was under under scrutiny and all of these things before I could even.
Say anything to even try to defend myself but ultimately it.
[20:25] Came around I mean it took a year and a half for me too,
work on this but ultimately I did have my day in court where everybody saw that this was just some sort of scam
very was of my license has a come back before my criminal trial and things started falling back into place but Randy as you said my life and my career were already destroyed
so I had to rebuild from nothing I really want to underscore that in today’s world a majority of Physicians have had to deal with the mouth.
Practice claim at least once during their career.
And when that happens you get the notice you get the summons the lawyers come in and those kind of things mean while you go about your.
Day-to-day business of taking care of patients.
[21:15] But for you that was really not the case why is it no no for me it was very different being caught in the malpractice system can be a terrible strain on someone who’s already stressed but most of the times,
you get to continue and practice your everyday and you just have this case hanging over your head
which provides that stress and in my case everything came to a complete stop.
[21:41] Because there was absolutely nothing that I could do being one of the top physician Executives in this large system
I knew the rules I knew with the guidelines were so I knew what my eventual fate was going to be because of this
and and so I knew my job was going to be lost I knew that I had a good chance that I was going to at least temporarily lose some licensure and
there was going to be absolutely nothing that I could do I was very hopeful that.
The trial would be settled in quickly over but just one of the tactics that are.
Commonly used is delay delay delay delay and hopefully they’ll roll over there is never quick the lawyers have that game down pat so for me it was just a sudden devastation,
and it gave me the chance in which I had to rebuild as you show you or you were eventually exonerated how did you decide.
Queer to start with the process of putting your life back together again I knew I had to start with myself because I had gone through such trauma going through this system.
[22:52] I knew that I needed to build myself up.
Throughout this process now one of the great things there lots of great things that happened to me during this time the biggest of which is,
I had lots of free time on my hands now I could just do whatever you know I wanted to do or could do and obviously that sounds like fun but when your head is spinning it’s not that not that great but,
when I was able to do is really reconnect with my family and my kids
and in my wife because now I’m suddenly home I can’t even get a job as a truck driver I described some of that in the book and and I mean I was unemployable during all of this 18 months I couldn’t find any job.
Doing any type of thing at all so I said well
I can be a better father and that’s exactly what I had spent time doing I was out in the yard after school I was probably one of the best kickball pictures,
in the county so I did I gain some additional skills but but it goes back to all right let’s look at this situation.
[24:02] All right there’s some things that I control and there’s some things I can’t control I can’t control the chaos in the foolishness that’s going on out there but what I can control is my health,
and my mental health and make sure that I can be the best person that I can be and that’s where I started and you’ve been very successful with it I might add you have quite a lot of visibility
and the in the world of self-improvement the book is a great one by the way it’s called license to live and,
it’s very short very readable as I think I mentioned before it’s sort of a recipe.
[24:39] Of how to get through these things you want to give us a little more of a summary so people will have an idea about why they should read it.
And I wrote this book Randy during the time when when I was off,
I said that as I started looking around and I would see stories here of something happened to this doctor something happened to this doctor and they’re just crazy crazy stories and I noticed that some of these doctors come back.
In re Surge and get back to living and others are never heard from again and.
I wanted to start looking at these as almost case studies to find out.
What people were doing in order to rebuild I knew what I did and I knew what I had to do and let me see where there’s some commonalities and as I started writing license to live it really was to talk about.
My story tell a little bit about this story that happened to me that changed my life for its entirety and,
the other part is really to give some help out there because crazy things happen to people all the time and we live in a world where.
[25:52] Well the common thing is to just yank stuff and then we’ll figure it out later so you might.
Get a suspension on your license you might not be able to do something because of a lawsuit you may actually be held back in some sort of way so so so let’s look at some of these things and you have to.
Strip away some of the titles bring yourself to saying hey look I’m just a person.
Let’s look at the person let’s forget about the doctor right now and I talk to people how to build their credibility.
How to get themselves back how to take care of themselves worry about the licensure problems later and I combined it all in this book so that.
[26:35] Hey if you happen to be going through a tough time in your career you can hear about my story and have some concrete advice on how to get restarted again.
And it seems to me that you have been every bit as successful at coaching and Consulting.
And helping people through these difficult times as you were in your clinical practice and are you as satisfied with your new role.
You know Randy when it came back time to you know all the licensure and everything came back and we were like what do you want to come back to your job.
[27:14] I had to think about it I said yeah I could probably jump right back in where I left off and dust myself off from the trauma and and get back to it but
because of all of the things that I gained in my life during this time
seeing that you know what maybe I didn’t need to spend so much time in hospitals and in clinics and and really should do other things with my free time that would make it
you know my life more enjoyable as a whole,
all of these things came as a result of this incident in my life and.
The one thing I know I did not want to give up again,
is my life so I started with the coaching I started with the Consulting and the speaking and the writing all because I knew they were parts of my life that were
missing or and they were neglected while I was working so hard as a physician executive.
And I said now if I can control this I can control the way I want to do things so just as you discovered that you had.
[28:20] Something that you could offer,
with respect to the business of medicine that enlarged your sphere of influence Beyond purely clinical you discovered that your sphere of influence was even larger is that what I’m hearing,
that’s exactly right I mean often times in this is where I can look back in my own life through our training through,
just the way the system is set up that the older you are the more linear and narrowly focused our training was and a lot of times it’s really focused on hospitals and Healthcare systems.
And you don’t really see the other things that you can do.
That are outside of that because there’s no time to learn about that and so you don’t really learn about that till you get out and be out there later so you know for me to sit there and.
Be interviewed on your podcast or be interviewed on the television news about a topic I have expertise in.
Is something that I find enjoyable now and I love being on podcast in the news and all these types of things but it was something I.
[29:28] Probably would not have done if I didn’t have this storm enter into my life.
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[31:43] Well it’s a great story and you tell it very very well I really enjoyed the book and I have really enjoyed our conversation here Jarrett but we’re at the point.
In the show where I like to get out of the way and it gets to be really good,
and I’m going to be quiet and talk to her doctor Jared patent is going to give us his personal prescriptions for Success these are my personal prescriptions for success.
[32:18] Think of the acronym life L Ife this is my personal prescription for success.
It’s all about your life L look at your goals
look not only at your short-term goals but look at your long-term goals all too often we get caught up in our short-term goals and as far as career goes many times that goal is,
let me get another paycheck.
And that takes you down the wrong path so look at your short-term goals but look at your long-term goals look at those things that you would like to do where you can find more enjoyment in your life.
[33:03] I integrate integrate your life into work.
And integrate your work into your life all too often we keep our work life and.
[33:19] All the aspects of our other life separate but that
there may be other ways to look at it and I’d like to look at ways in which you can integrate both of them together when you look at Celebrities I have ran into Ice-T and Coco on one of my speaking tours and,
Coco spent her life as an Entertainer
but one of the things that she does very very very well is integrate her life into her work so she can be as social-media influencer she can be a model she can do these other things but you know what.
She’s living life so she’ll go out there and take a vacation and say oh I’ll take some time to do a selfie spend some time on social media because that’s what I do for work.
But yet I’m living life so find ways to integrate work into life and life into work.
[34:20] Fun have more fun one thing if you do nothing in this podcast
make a commitment to have more fun in your life because the more fun you have in your life the more satisfaction you’re going to have in your life and.
[34:36] The better your life will be so make and if you’re not having fun in your job let me tell you you better be looking for another job right now just get out the way and if you’re not having fun then it’s time for a change
so f is fine and it e.
[34:53] He has for expectations do you need to have the best expectations in life.
[35:01] And if you don’t have those expectations for you
you’ll never have the best sometimes people shortchange themselves so much simply because they can’t see something great happening in their life so spend some time whether you use affirmations whether you use positive statements whether you
you’re looking at something that is going to make you to expect more out of life,
and the more you expect the more comes to you so my prescription to success is all about life.
[35:35] That is inspiring
just as the rest of your story is inspiring Jared and I really appreciate you sharing that with us I want to give you an opportunity to talk about all the things that you have to share with the audience if they
have any interest in following up on you and I really hope that they will but tell us about the book it’s called license to live where can they find.
Yes you can find license to live a perimeter to rebuilding your life after your career is shattered.
Anywhere you get your books online on Amazon Barnes & Noble as you name it it’s there.
Um if you have problem setting those expectations the follow-up license to live book is.
License to live daily affirmations to rebuild your life and so it is an active affirmations Journal me take you on a guide on how you can program your mind to transform it,
into having these positive things manifest in your own life.
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in which you can change your life it’s going to be a great conference and I’m pretty sure you meant to say July of 2022 you said 2020.
But we did have it in July of 2020 you’re right maybe I was the first one but but but but but we do have.
[37:34] Thank you for that correction ready you’re absolutely right we’re talking about July 8th 9th and 10th of 2022.
And websites and podcast where you can be found.
Yes so you can find more out about me at dr. Jarrett.com you can just spell out the word doctor ja
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well I didn’t learn about it in the past I did not really know what to expect and then as I started getting more and more into it I was perplexed,
and like wow is our is our is this the way decisions are made in healthcare you know whether it’s in a in a board room or in a conference room eight I was just shocked.
That this is the other side in which we were never taught.
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my guest today is a board-certified pediatrician but he also wears lots of other hats including best-selling author,
as well as career and personal development coach.
Dr. Jarrett Patton took a little time out of his very busy schedule to share some of his secrets to success so let’s hear the conversation.
[2:10] I’m really excited today to be talking.
With dr. Jared Patton who is up in the great state of Pennsylvania Jarrett’s great to have you here thanks for joining us.
Thanks for having me arm Randy a pleasurable day to be here well you have really got a fabulous story and a lot of things that I want to talk about,
so let’s get right into it and
we always like to begin with Beginnings Jarrett so I’m interested now are you a Pennsylvania native no no I actually grew up in was born in Connecticut and grew up in central Ohio I see.
So the the Northeast and bordering on the Midwest I guess and and and about.
[3:01] Where your interest in medicine came from or their medical types in the family or did it come from someplace else,
yeah it ended up for me just being kind of an inspiration I did not have doctors in the family to kind of work with or get some additional Insight but I found
they’re going through my high school years I had a profound interest in science so I knew I wanted to do something in science.
Biology was a little bit you know not concrete enough for me so I really gravitated to her chemistry so I headed off to Xavier University of Louisiana.
To study chemistry.
But I knew pretty quickly on that spending my time in a chemistry lab was not going to be the right thing for me because I’m more of a people person and so it was at that time I started taking that pre-med path and and and about what.
[3:56] At what point in your undergrad work did that happen it was pretty early on yeah it was pretty early on I mean it was by the end of my first year I knew that that chemistry was really going to become a chemistry pre-med and
and I knew that serving doctors was going to be what I are serving people as a doctor is it going to be what
I wanted to do and I thought I was going to be an anesthesiologist I thought I had it all figured out even though I didn’t know anything about it even before I started medical school I thought I had it all figured out but things change
and and will tell me about that what changed your mind obviously it happened
it’s some point in the midst of your medical education so when I was at Case Western in Cleveland for medical school we had,
exposure early on the patient so our first and second year we had to do some patient encounters
outside of the typical anatomy and physiology and pathology that you’re learning those first couple of years and.
It was that experience that really connected me to Primary Care and I thought Family Medicine.
[5:09] Almost threw out my med school career until really was the end of my third year and
the beginning of my fourth year when I said maybe internal medicine isn’t really what I,
I thought it was and not really what I want to practice now that I’ve had a chance to see what it looks like in reality.
Little did I know I was drawn to children.
Right from the beginning but it took me to go through all of those rotations before I could look back and say you know what,
I was happy in Pediatrics I really you know stayed up on Call with the kids there were just so many things that were screaming to me but because it was one of my first rotations I had no idea.
That Pediatrics is going to be the choice and ultimately I settled on that one.
I think that’s kind of unusual in all the people that I talked to on this podcast.
You know at some point there is a decision about what the specialty is going to be and they just kind of go forward but for you to have the patience to literally see the entire landscape before you make the decision.
Kind of.
[6:22] Paint you as of perhaps having a little more wisdom than most medical students are you willing to admit to that or what do you think.
You know that’s a great way to put it Randy I looked at it more until this point now I’ll be saying it was very wise choice and I was ahead of my time so thank you for that but what I’ll say is that
for me it ended up all of the things that I thought I was really going to like.
[6:52] They were cool they were interesting you could do some Hands-On things but I couldn’t see myself doing that for rest of my year and.
[6:59] And that’s why pediatric stood out to me it was after an international Health elective I did in Ghana that I knew that.
When I came back to the to the states I knew I was going into Pediatrics and in fact I had add on some fourth year electives
did I did not sign up for it I mean that’s how late I was in that decision process but it’s something I never look back on and I was so happy that I made that decision.
I can imagine that your time and a third world country must have been.
A powerful experience you want to share some of that with us I love sharing some of these stories Randy because.
That is what really shaped my career as a physician and especially coming back to primary care because I spent six weeks,
in Ghana and I was in you know you fly into the cities but I actually was in a remote Village about an hour outside of the capital city seeing patients in.
A Outpatient Clinic.
And it was there that the doctors they’re really taught me how important your physical exam skills are because
well when you’re practicing you know it was literally in the middle of nowhere
all of the technology all of the tests all of the Radiology all of the.
[8:26] Wonderful things in our own healthcare system that we have in abundance and obviously we have to.
[8:33] Pull back and try not to use all of these resources all the time when you go somewhere else especially in central Ghana.
There are none of those things maybe if you’re in the academic center you can have access to some of these things but the large majority of people don’t have access to
testing at their fingertips so I was able to see the doctors work up patients and diagnose patients without you know going to you know write some blood tests or order some Radiology tests and and in fact
biggest example of this in my life happened right in this small village while I was there there the under-20 national
got ghanaians soccer team practice
nearby and there was an incident in a practice one day and one of the players started having mental status changes and he became so.
Bizarre that they said we need to get him into Medical Care turned out he had a head injury during practice
and he was deteriorating literally in front of our eyes and not being in a central area he started to decompensate and
the doctors started running a code and a code.
[9:58] When you’re not inside a medical center code when you don’t have access to care simply was coming into his room assessing him giving him one precordial thump.
And realizing there was nothing there there’s no life support there’s no intubation there’s no monitors there’s there’s nothing and the doctors there had to make that decision knowing that they couldn’t get do anything for him and.
They couldn’t transport him anywhere anywhere quickly enough to seek the attention so here is one of the country’s top soccer talents,
that died for something that would have been
certainly treatable and probably death would have been avoidable if it happened here in the United States but it gave me that insight to say you know what.
Weird certainly blessed to live in the United States and have access to this Health Care system because it certainly doesn’t run like that in the rest of the world.
And you know I was going to ask you well let me begin with.
[11:04] How things were when you first went into private practice did you did you feel like no doubt about it I made the right decision and this is exactly where I should be absolutely I mean I figured out pretty early I had a strong sense of community
and I really wanted to work in neighborhoods that didn’t have access to care and part of that came out of my experience in Ghana I said well there’s lots of resources in these places I can at least do my part and try to put myself where they may not be as many resources and so I love to work in community practices and
working with
kids every day and taking care of their families all the time with something that drove me and I was happy doing that every single day
but part of my career said well I feel like I have more to offer than even that and I had interest in leadership
and I really wanted to develop my leadership skills and not only be able to take care of
the Smith family in the Jones family and the Enriquez family one by one by one I wanted to be.
Leading part of the health care mission.
[12:20] So that there could be changes that could be made for the better for people that I didn’t even have to touch it directly so so it was in that case that I really started
going on in leadership I went on to become a medical director of a practice and division Chief and some other leadership roles.
That’s exactly where I wanted you to take the conversation and I’m wondering.
[12:47] At what stage of your career was at 23 years and or was it a decade in when you realized that
did there was an opportunity to have an influence not only on,
direct patient care but the big picture when did when did that thought enter your head it was within the first couple of years because coming out of residency.
I always felt like alright I need to learn tons I’ve tried practice I trained in NYU and Bellevue so I literally I saw stuff coming in from all over the world that
yeah that I just I just never would have seen anywhere else however.
I knew that I did not want to only.
[13:32] See patients in my career because I knew I had more to offer and I knew that the leadership was something that interest me
interested me and I thought that you know I’d be seeing patients for out throughout the rest of my life as a part of what I would do
even if that meant that I would you know raise up and become CEO of a hospital system or something like that
did you feel like you belong to when you got into that more corporate world or did you find that it was distasteful at all Randy it,
looking at entering into that management and Leadership role with something very very different because
well I didn’t learn about it in the past I did not really know what to expect and then as I started getting more and more into it I was perplexed,
and like wow is our is is this the way decisions are made in healthcare you know whether it’s in a in a board room or in a conference room 8 I was just shocked.
That this is the other side.
In which we were never taught you think you were able to bring a clinical influence to those.
[14:48] Decisions in the boardroom that made a difference for people
absolutely by the time I was chief of medical staff of 1/8 hospital system I had a seat on the Board of Trustees of this system so I was meeting with the board of directors often and
that link was so vital having someone who could.
[15:11] Tell a story Through The Eyes of patients that are being seen you know within that Institution,
and speak up for the for the patients that may be there in the same hand speak up for the doctors,
and speak up for the nurses in the healthcare team and try to look for changes that were there but being in that boardroom
provided the storytelling necessary to add the details to those spreadsheets that everybody looks at
they boil everything down to a number and it comes with one over here and one may come from this column and that equals two and.
I would be sitting at the table and said well no one plus one doesn’t always equal to when you’re looking at this spreadsheet let me tell you why and you can go into that clinical story.
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So it sounds like you were in a spot where you really felt good about
your earlier decisions you like the world of medicine and you felt like you were influencing the world of medicine in a way that very few doctors ever get to accomplish
and then at some point the trouble started and.
We want we want try to tell the whole thing you’ve written a book that describes it in pretty good detail calls called for license to live and we’ll talk about that some more but I
I would like for you to give us the 30,000 foot view if you will or tell us as much as you like about,
how things begin to unravel I loved doing what I was doing I thought this was going to be my true Mission I was able to.
[18:15] Take care of patients I was able to shape policy I was able to speak on the behalf of the health care team on patients and I said this is.
What I was born to do and I felt like I was in the part of my career where this is it I know what I’m doing I’m on top of it and I’m loving it but all of that came to a sudden halt when I had a
meeting with one of the hospital attorneys that I spoke with quite frequently and he just came in and looked particularly exasperated that day and said.
[18:48] Jarret I don’t know how to tell you this but you’re under investigation.
[18:55] I said under investigation for what and he took out his laptop and he opened it up and started showing me pictures on Facebook
he said do you know this person I said no I don’t know this person and he started showing additional pictures of what I thought may have been the same person I said I don’t know who this person is I don’t even have a Facebook account with what’s going on
and he said he said he said this woman you actually saw her nine-month-old son a few weeks ago
and she claims that you were sexually inappropriate with her in the exam room and is going to the police and right there.
Everything changed everything became silent everything was a blur and ultimately which she said is she.
To the police she filed charges and that started a tailspin of my career so suddenly I found myself being locked into handcuffs being booked
in the county jail and looking at my life deteriorating right in front of me I mean things were being yanked from me right and left
losing licenses in multiple States my board certification was under under scrutiny and all of these things before I could even.
Say anything to even try to defend myself but ultimately it.
[20:25] Came around I mean it took a year and a half for me too,
work on this but ultimately I did have my day in court where everybody saw that this was just some sort of scam
very was of my license has a come back before my criminal trial and things started falling back into place but Randy as you said my life and my career were already destroyed
so I had to rebuild from nothing I really want to underscore that in today’s world a majority of Physicians have had to deal with the mouth.
Practice claim at least once during their career.
And when that happens you get the notice you get the summons the lawyers come in and those kind of things mean while you go about your.
Day-to-day business of taking care of patients.
[21:15] But for you that was really not the case why is it no no for me it was very different being caught in the malpractice system can be a terrible strain on someone who’s already stressed but most of the times,
you get to continue and practice your everyday and you just have this case hanging over your head
which provides that stress and in my case everything came to a complete stop.
[21:41] Because there was absolutely nothing that I could do being one of the top physician Executives in this large system
I knew the rules I knew with the guidelines were so I knew what my eventual fate was going to be because of this
and and so I knew my job was going to be lost I knew that I had a good chance that I was going to at least temporarily lose some licensure and
there was going to be absolutely nothing that I could do I was very hopeful that.
The trial would be settled in quickly over but just one of the tactics that are.
Commonly used is delay delay delay delay and hopefully they’ll roll over there is never quick the lawyers have that game down pat so for me it was just a sudden devastation,
and it gave me the chance in which I had to rebuild as you show you or you were eventually exonerated how did you decide.
Queer to start with the process of putting your life back together again I knew I had to start with myself because I had gone through such trauma going through this system.
[22:52] I knew that I needed to build myself up.
Throughout this process now one of the great things there lots of great things that happened to me during this time the biggest of which is,
I had lots of free time on my hands now I could just do whatever you know I wanted to do or could do and obviously that sounds like fun but when your head is spinning it’s not that not that great but,
when I was able to do is really reconnect with my family and my kids
and in my wife because now I’m suddenly home I can’t even get a job as a truck driver I described some of that in the book and and I mean I was unemployable during all of this 18 months I couldn’t find any job.
Doing any type of thing at all so I said well
I can be a better father and that’s exactly what I had spent time doing I was out in the yard after school I was probably one of the best kickball pictures,
in the county so I did I gain some additional skills but but it goes back to all right let’s look at this situation.
[24:02] All right there’s some things that I control and there’s some things I can’t control I can’t control the chaos in the foolishness that’s going on out there but what I can control is my health,
and my mental health and make sure that I can be the best person that I can be and that’s where I started and you’ve been very successful with it I might add you have quite a lot of visibility
and the in the world of self-improvement the book is a great one by the way it’s called license to live and,
it’s very short very readable as I think I mentioned before it’s sort of a recipe.
[24:39] Of how to get through these things you want to give us a little more of a summary so people will have an idea about why they should read it.
And I wrote this book Randy during the time when when I was off,
I said that as I started looking around and I would see stories here of something happened to this doctor something happened to this doctor and they’re just crazy crazy stories and I noticed that some of these doctors come back.
In re Surge and get back to living and others are never heard from again and.
I wanted to start looking at these as almost case studies to find out.
What people were doing in order to rebuild I knew what I did and I knew what I had to do and let me see where there’s some commonalities and as I started writing license to live it really was to talk about.
My story tell a little bit about this story that happened to me that changed my life for its entirety and,
the other part is really to give some help out there because crazy things happen to people all the time and we live in a world where.
[25:52] Well the common thing is to just yank stuff and then we’ll figure it out later so you might.
Get a suspension on your license you might not be able to do something because of a lawsuit you may actually be held back in some sort of way so so so let’s look at some of these things and you have to.
Strip away some of the titles bring yourself to saying hey look I’m just a person.
Let’s look at the person let’s forget about the doctor right now and I talk to people how to build their credibility.
How to get themselves back how to take care of themselves worry about the licensure problems later and I combined it all in this book so that.
[26:35] Hey if you happen to be going through a tough time in your career you can hear about my story and have some concrete advice on how to get restarted again.
And it seems to me that you have been every bit as successful at coaching and Consulting.
And helping people through these difficult times as you were in your clinical practice and are you as satisfied with your new role.
You know Randy when it came back time to you know all the licensure and everything came back and we were like what do you want to come back to your job.
[27:14] I had to think about it I said yeah I could probably jump right back in where I left off and dust myself off from the trauma and and get back to it but
because of all of the things that I gained in my life during this time
seeing that you know what maybe I didn’t need to spend so much time in hospitals and in clinics and and really should do other things with my free time that would make it
you know my life more enjoyable as a whole,
all of these things came as a result of this incident in my life and.
The one thing I know I did not want to give up again,
is my life so I started with the coaching I started with the Consulting and the speaking and the writing all because I knew they were parts of my life that were
missing or and they were neglected while I was working so hard as a physician executive.
And I said now if I can control this I can control the way I want to do things so just as you discovered that you had.
[28:20] Something that you could offer,
with respect to the business of medicine that enlarged your sphere of influence Beyond purely clinical you discovered that your sphere of influence was even larger is that what I’m hearing,
that’s exactly right I mean often times in this is where I can look back in my own life through our training through,
just the way the system is set up that the older you are the more linear and narrowly focused our training was and a lot of times it’s really focused on hospitals and Healthcare systems.
And you don’t really see the other things that you can do.
That are outside of that because there’s no time to learn about that and so you don’t really learn about that till you get out and be out there later so you know for me to sit there and.
Be interviewed on your podcast or be interviewed on the television news about a topic I have expertise in.
Is something that I find enjoyable now and I love being on podcast in the news and all these types of things but it was something I.
[29:28] Probably would not have done if I didn’t have this storm enter into my life.
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[31:43] Well it’s a great story and you tell it very very well I really enjoyed the book and I have really enjoyed our conversation here Jarrett but we’re at the point.
In the show where I like to get out of the way and it gets to be really good,
and I’m going to be quiet and talk to her doctor Jared patent is going to give us his personal prescriptions for Success these are my personal prescriptions for success.
[32:18] Think of the acronym life L Ife this is my personal prescription for success.
It’s all about your life L look at your goals
look not only at your short-term goals but look at your long-term goals all too often we get caught up in our short-term goals and as far as career goes many times that goal is,
let me get another paycheck.
And that takes you down the wrong path so look at your short-term goals but look at your long-term goals look at those things that you would like to do where you can find more enjoyment in your life.
[33:03] I integrate integrate your life into work.
And integrate your work into your life all too often we keep our work life and.
[33:19] All the aspects of our other life separate but that
there may be other ways to look at it and I’d like to look at ways in which you can integrate both of them together when you look at Celebrities I have ran into Ice-T and Coco on one of my speaking tours and,
Coco spent her life as an Entertainer
but one of the things that she does very very very well is integrate her life into her work so she can be as social-media influencer she can be a model she can do these other things but you know what.
She’s living life so she’ll go out there and take a vacation and say oh I’ll take some time to do a selfie spend some time on social media because that’s what I do for work.
But yet I’m living life so find ways to integrate work into life and life into work.
[34:20] Fun have more fun one thing if you do nothing in this podcast
make a commitment to have more fun in your life because the more fun you have in your life the more satisfaction you’re going to have in your life and.
[34:36] The better your life will be so make and if you’re not having fun in your job let me tell you you better be looking for another job right now just get out the way and if you’re not having fun then it’s time for a change
so f is fine and it e.
[34:53] He has for expectations do you need to have the best expectations in life.
[35:01] And if you don’t have those expectations for you
you’ll never have the best sometimes people shortchange themselves so much simply because they can’t see something great happening in their life so spend some time whether you use affirmations whether you use positive statements whether you
you’re looking at something that is going to make you to expect more out of life,
and the more you expect the more comes to you so my prescription to success is all about life.
[35:35] That is inspiring
just as the rest of your story is inspiring Jared and I really appreciate you sharing that with us I want to give you an opportunity to talk about all the things that you have to share with the audience if they
have any interest in following up on you and I really hope that they will but tell us about the book it’s called license to live where can they find.
Yes you can find license to live a perimeter to rebuilding your life after your career is shattered.
Anywhere you get your books online on Amazon Barnes & Noble as you name it it’s there.
Um if you have problem setting those expectations the follow-up license to live book is.
License to live daily affirmations to rebuild your life and so it is an active affirmations Journal me take you on a guide on how you can program your mind to transform it,
into having these positive things manifest in your own life.
[36:35] And one of the things that we like to do is roll all of these Concepts up and licensed to live the conference so,
we have a conference that we host live in in Philadelphia every single year and for some of you guys if you’re listening early.
July 8th 9th and 10th 2020 is when we’re having this at the Bellevue Hotel you can go to license the live.com for all the information on the,
the program in the lineup but we have some great speakers lined up and we even have CME applied for so you’ll even be able to write this off on your business expenses to show up,
and learn some strategies
in which you can change your life it’s going to be a great conference and I’m pretty sure you meant to say July of 2022 you said 2020.
But we did have it in July of 2020 you’re right maybe I was the first one but but but but but we do have.
[37:34] Thank you for that correction ready you’re absolutely right we’re talking about July 8th 9th and 10th of 2022.
And websites and podcast where you can be found.
Yes so you can find more out about me at dr. Jarrett.com you can just spell out the word doctor ja
two r’s E1 T and you can find me across social media at dr. Jarrett and much more about the conference in the books at licensed
to live.com.
Well dr. Jared patented his been quite enjoyable today I really had my eyes opened a bit from my having this conversation with you and I thank you for being here it’s been a real pleasure.
It’s been an absolute pleasure to be here Randy can’t wait to meet again thank you so much for listening with us today.
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